Atlanta Macintosh Users Group - Political Commentary http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php <![CDATA[Re: Interesting read]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2546#msg2546
From what I know about the middle east, is that since the beginning of recorded time, the sections between Turkey, North Africa, India, and middle "Russia" have been in constant turmoil.  Resources are relatively scarce, people band(ed) together in Nomadic tribes, and sometimes the only way to "win" was to either organize well, or play kill your neighbor.  Out of this section of the world we have Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.  Of the three, Judaism and Islam serve as "moral" and "civil" law reference points for the followers. It's arguable that Christianity with issues of Rome, and alignment of moral law into civil law "EG: the institution of the "10 commandments" into our laws, plays a part here, but let's face it, Christianity is a minority in this wartorn part of the world and dosent seem to have as much impact on society as the laws of the Jewish or Islamic faiths (again, in that section of the world).

I think your point about the crusades should also include this -- it was the issue of "moral law" (Christianity) mixing with "Civil law" (ok greed of local groups) that caused a lot of the wars, resource and land grabs, and killings during this period.  My point is here that whenever religion is used as an excuse to move humanity forward by interlacing "moral" and "Civil" laws, it's a toxic mix.  This is why although I'm a religious person, I do whatever I can to ensure that "Church" and "State" are kept separate -- thank goodness our founding fathers saw to that!

It seems to be "in their nature" of folks in the ...]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?action=post;topic=723.0 Thu, 09 Nov 2006 19:57:20 GMT http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2546#msg2546 <![CDATA[Re: Interesting read]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2545#msg2545 Quote from: John Goodman on November 07, 2006, 10:23:31 PM
That story reminds me of the novels and movies produced in the mid seventies showing Americans kowtowing to Japanese and Arabs. It's another Republican camp fire story to scare the little kids. The author seems to be advocating a tenth Crusade - If you believe that any of them past the third are worth counting.

Quote from: Chris Waldrip on November 08, 2006, 12:23:41 AM
I betcha' the Muslims counted the additional Crusades. Heck 'Dubba' has already called this a crusade!

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"This crusade, this war on terrorism is gonna take awhile. And the American people must be patient.
President Bush, 9/16/01

And people wonder why the terrorists hate us. Shocked

But what if you're wrong?]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?action=post;topic=723.0 Thu, 09 Nov 2006 15:48:53 GMT http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2545#msg2545 <![CDATA[Re: Interesting read]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2534#msg2534
http://www.d.../2006_04.htm]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?action=post;topic=723.0 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:35:20 GMT http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2534#msg2534 <![CDATA[Re: Interesting read]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2533#msg2533
Thanks .. Mike]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?action=post;topic=723.0 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:06:58 GMT http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2533#msg2533 <![CDATA[Re: Interesting read]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2528#msg2528 Heck 'Dubba' has already called this a crusade!

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"This crusade, this war on terrorism is gonna take awhile. And the American people must be patient.
President Bush, 9/16/01

And people wonder why the terrorists hate us. Shocked]]> http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?action=post;topic=723.0 Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:23:41 GMT http://forums.amugonline.org/index.php?topic=723.msg2528#msg2528